Welcome to Episode 11 of The Beautiful Pursuit! I am so excited to share this one! Its very special! It was a wonderful conversation - one which I’ve chewed on for weeks - with author, leader and prophet Julian Adams…Also a South African! Yay! There is wisdom for every day in this one and even more perspective for the season we face now - the ups and downs of a world in pandemic. We speak mainly about Julians latest book - Terra Nova, New Earth. Its out now - you can order online … I’m definitely getting my own copy. Julian shares such powerful and inspiring examples of the kingdom coming to earth - real things going on here in South Africa actually - and I love how heaven touching earth makes earth more beautiful - not more Christian - more beautiful! We are not here to create little sub cultures - we are here to bring the culture of heaven into every place and space and person on earth!
If you don’t know of Julian and his dynamic wife (a brilliant teacher) Katia, you are going to love their podcast Frequentsee. And their other books. I’ve been working through Katia’s book Equal for some time and can’t wait to talk to her in the coming months. She also runs brilliant devotionals and bible studies online from time to time. Sign up and follow these guys.
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So enjoy listening to the humility and love and wisdom pouring out of Julian in this ep. He is a director of teaching and equipping ministry Frequentsee and leader of The Table Boston - a new church-plant in that city. He is an author, spiritual advisor, revelatory teacher and leadership consultant in political, business and creative spheres. An internationally recognised prophet, Julian has a proven track record in the fulfilment of words released over individuals, communities and nations. He is a director for NEWDAY United, a charity based here in South Africa and England that serves the poor and vulnerable in SA.
Grab a cup of something warm if you’re in this hemisphere - and lose yourself here for the next hour or so. I felt particularly inspired to write down some thoughts after the segment where Julian speaks about dreaming with God and the prophetic imagination - the possibilities of reimagining our worlds with the creator! Reminded me of this phrase The Helsers say a lot: the same voice that created the heavens and the earth, is inside of you and waiting to recreate you and your world. Happy listening, happy dreaming - and happy being awoken to more!
PS: We recorded this interview on Zoom and I’ve uploaded the uncut version onto YouTube if you want to take a look there :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wWxWbCuewk&t=1046s
PPS: I keep a transcript of each interview. Here are some of the gems you might want to read again and again. And again
Speaking about growing up with a “cleft palate”
It impacted my speech and my hearing and I had all sorts of other health implications which is a very interesting thing to have grown up with because it produced an incredible sense of insecurity and fear of people because I sounded so different …There wasn’t a day throughout my school career where somebody didn't make fun of me because of how I sounded… So I really hated my voice and hated the sound of my voice but you know how it is with God - He takes the thing that you think is the weakest and he turns it around to be used to bring judgment against the works of darkness. And so, the thing that I thought disqualified me from speaking into spaces and influencing people is now the thing that God is empowering in terms of my speech and my ability to hear..
What this particular health journey has taught Julian about the nature of God
I think there's an internal resolve and value system that God has put in me around suffering
and understanding the process of difficulty and the first thing is that I will not allow my unanswered questions to override the revealed goodness of God and character of God in Jesus that we see in Scripture.
Jesus is God made visible and the Bible says he is the perfect picture which means that how
Jesus deals with sickness, how Jesus deals with women and people of different races, how Jesus deals with world events - in all of those contexts he always brings peace he always brings he always brings life…
And so even though I might not understand what's happening right now - I'm not gonna allow the mystery to override the revelation of God in Jesus. And so it has solidified that God is kinder than we think - and he solidified that he is better than we to ever anticipate and then he's incredibly good and that I do not need to sacrifice the nature of God's goodness and his love alongside or at the altar of his sovereignty just because he is sovereign doesn't mean that he has allowed this but he's working on my behalf to bring a good resolution…
Speaking about the angry prophets…
God's not angry! He's kind, he's not actually out to smite people. The happiest prophet that ever lived was Jesus and we get to join that ministry! Everything else is inferior…
Speaking about healing
I love what Bill Johnson says - using a poker analogy he says God can win with a pair of two's in his hand and the reality is no matter where I find myself – God is using every moment to produce faith and expectation of his goodness.
Speaking about Kingdom
My life is meant to provoke a questioning heart in those that have not ever come into the kingdom …
Jesus says I came to seek and save that which was lost not just those who were lost – that actually there's a physical substance that God wants to redeem called the earth …
Jesus came as a big supreme example; he came not as a conquering king and as some would understand or as the Jewish leaders of the day expected, but he came as a suffering servant as one who went low and slow in order to affect change…
The kingdom doesn't look like a Sunday morning service; it doesn't look like Christian lingo; it doesn't look like Christian television - but what it does look like is bringing peace, bringing beauty, bringing health, bringing life, bringing common grace in such a way that people go, “what is it about this environment.. why is this charged with the sense of heaven?”…
Speaking about the season (Covid19) and releasing Terra Nova now
Because of the good news - even in the season of plague, even in the season of disaster – it was the church who set the tone for redemption and we're living in this season of COVID 19 which seems really crazy and I'm like – no, the church sets the tone… rather than getting caught up in conspiracy theories- we get to be a picture of heaven on earth …
That’s the motive of the book is like actually God's kingdom has come and is coming we get to be the prophetic outpost so that it looks a little bit like heaven on earth and people want to get in.. It’'s not just about good works, it's not just about miracles- it’s about a government of peace that is established on the Earth that makes all things new…
You know the word shalom literally means the peace of God coming so that everything is as He always intended it to be.
To quote on my favourites: Bishop NT Wright: Surprised by Hope - heaven is not a detached reality but it's a coexisting reality and that God's government of peace is now coming on the earth so that those realities are married.
Reading the season
What we need to understand is that today, during Corona, God is overthrowing the systems
that have prevented people from coming into worship…
Why plant a local church in Boston?
I still believe that the church is the most beautiful expression of what heaven looks like on earth… There's no other context that gathers such different, diverse groups, different cultures - people from different racial backgrounds, different cultures, and puts them in one space… She's not monochrome or monoculture but diverse because God is glorified in diversity.
…The best way to see the kingdom come - is in community and in family - because the culture of the kingdom is family - that's the currency of the kingdom… Jesus establishes his kingdom - God's kingdom on the earth in the context of family So there is this dynamic of Trinitarian family that we build our life around and the life of the church. And when church is done right - we teach people how to think not what to think, and we release a kingdom dynamic into the hearts of thinking believers – and we get to see change…
My prayer is that the church we establish will not produce more full-time ministers but will produce more businesspeople, more teachers, more doctors, more educators, more creatives, more entrepreneurs so that they begin to impact society.
Restoration of equality to gender
And then the other thing is one of the big things that we focussing on is that God is bringing a restoration of equality to gender - to male and female relationships in their uniqueness. This is
not about a feminist movement but this is about what it looks like for men and women to fully represent God together as male and his female. So my wife will actually be leading the team. I will be graciously and joyfully submitting to her leadership not because she's a woman but because she's gifted and a woman and we wanted to see that restored in a healthy way because we've seen liberal agendas highjack equality in the church and it's become about feminism or a liberal expression rather than about what the Bible speaks to us about how men and women are to work together and operate in full authority and full equality.
We want to see communities that aren't threatened to hit that and to establish it as a healthy expression of the kingdom of God on earth!
Imagination and reimagining with God
Imagination is the blank cheque of faith…
One of the things I think God wants us to do in this season, is to reimagine…
Because he's invited us to dream with him. He’s not looking to give us orders or commands: dream about a world where there is no human trafficking or where my area of influence comes under the grace and leadership of Jesus. And heaven is established. Dream up ways to see it happen. We get to partner with Him.
You know Walter Brueggemann who's an amazing prophetic voice to our generation and theologian
he talks about this concept of reimagining and so I want to reimagine things.. So for example - compassion is counterculture… imagine a church extremely compassionate. What we've done is be compassionate for those who look like us and feel like us and agree with us and so we think that that's great. Compassion is so counterculture because compassion says I want to make sure that everyone is ok, not just me…
Ask yourself, how do I be counterculture?
Emotional and Spiritual Intelligence
We live in the season where there is an abundance of information on emotional intelligence - you know I think of people like Brené Brown - all these people are speaking on emotional
intelligence which is so important but I wonder if we understood that we are supposed to harness emotional intelligence with spiritual intelligence..
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